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  • in reply to: why save cbgb? #112495

    dorado
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    i did play there many times starting in 1985, not 1999. Â i’m 36 yrs old. Â did most of my bands suck back then- yes they probably did but that’s not the point i’m trying to make. Â yeah, of course it’s fine to have a club that puts on shit shows (including my band) but there shouldn;’t be this outcry just because it’s gonna close down. Â i’m not writing on this message board to say cb’s should be closed because the place sucks-i’m saying no one should give a shit if it does. Â can you understand that rockaction? Â do you have the capacity?
    i’m not trying to come off as the ultimate authority on what "punk" means but it’s not the music from the 70’s and 80’s that defines it- it’s a way of life and a code of ethics. Â doing things your own way for the sake of ART. Â that could be a band, a writer, a CLUBOWNER etc…so no, punk is not nostalgic and should never be. Â the bowery and the merc and a couple of places out in bklyn are certainly doing it and if you’re gonna support anything, support them and make sure they don’t close because it’s not easy running a nightclub in this city. Â booking cutting edge bands and taking chances on big guarantees etc. is what’s punk for sure. Â do you see the light yet? Â it’s not green mohawks and 3 chord songs.
    maybe i am dr.punk because you sure as hell don’t know what the fuck it’s all about.

    in reply to: why save cbgb? #112493

    dorado
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    rock action-
    i should book the bands? what the hell are you talking about….they book shit bands in a random manner night after night consistently. that means they don’t give a fuck about music. do you know how many magic moments happened at the mudd club or max’s kc? just as many and it’s just as ridiculous to be so nostalgic and corny about remembering or keeping those places around. they closed down and that’s it. move on.
    it’s because so many people (mostly non new yorkers) see cb’s as a symbol of "punk rock" because they’ve heard and read about it their whole lives but it’s not and has never been. it was a cool club that used to host some amazing shows.
    that’s all im saying when i compare it to brownies. not the legal/lease situation but the fact that brownies honestly gave a shit about what they were doing- not just there to sell $7 heinekens and 30 t-shirts.
    i don’t need to book the shows at cb’s ’cause i can go to mercury lounge, go to bowery ballroom ….they are still doing it right.

    in reply to: why save cbgb? #112485

    dorado
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    no offense but that is alot of sentimental bullshit….and they don’t book any unknown cool punk bands. they book cookie cutter, pop-punk blink 182 or korn wannabe bands that perpetuate what is wrong about what people call "punk" today. i played cbgb tons of times starting when i was 16 and it was a good time but not really that big of a deal.
    if you wanna talk about an east village club that was doing it for real, then we should all hold a vigil for brownies ’cause that place had it figured out. they took chances and carefully put together bills that made musical sense and would open minds and ears. cbgb does not do that and have not for a LONG time. it has nothing to do w/ those dumb clearchannel places etc….. they have a rent dispute and lost in court for non-payment to a homeless residential group. yes, those evil homeless housing people! c’mon people, look at the reality of the situation.
    and it’s not like katz’s deli going away because katz’s deli still kicks ass in every way. but yes, the corned beef is better at 2nd ave deli!

    in reply to: J Mascis Solo Show @ CBGB’s Sept. 11 #111933

    dorado
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    why is there such an outcry to keep cbgb open? i don’t get it.
    can someone give me one good reason? because blondie & television played there? big deal….they played other nyc clubs just as much but no one fought to keep those places open.
    cbgb is currently a place that doesn’t give a shit about music. hasn’t for a long time. they haven’t booked a good show in 15yrs..they book 10 metal bands from NJ per night and do not care in the least about putting together cutting edge punk shows like they did way back when. their drinks are ridiculously overpriced and the place exists solely as a venue to sell the cbgb merch (t-shirts, jackets,panties etc…). yes, the same cbgb merch that is sold in bloomingdales and macy’s etc… and you all feel bad for this guy (hilly k.)??
    yes, the same cbgb that will be opening a las vegas club for the same non-musical, monetary reasons. do you think any money will be made in a situation like that? yes, he will will make tons of money from that alone.
    i grew up in nyc and fully realize the significance of what cbgb WAS but that is not what it is now so stop wasting your time trying to save it. there are SO many other causes to support.

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