December 7, 2000 at 6:04 am #44455
Well, actually, this isnÂ´t about sex at all; that was just a rather childish trick to get your attention. But it worked, you see, and thatÂ´s all that counts.
Instead I would like your opinion on the current concert situation, crowd behaviourwise, that is. Last week when I went to see J & the Fog was by no means the only time, when I thought that it all had gone a bit lame recently. I first noticed this a couple of years ago, when I was at a Blues Explosion gig (I still regard them as one of the best live bands) and I had always thought, if you remain motionless at a Blues Xplosion show youÂ´re clinically dead. See, the band was so good, yet the audience remained oddly apathetic and I knew, that if we had a gig like that in the early ninties, there would have been a full scale riot. I mean, the first time Pavement played in Berlin we had stagediving, despite an audience of 80 people, whereas today itÂ´s almost always the same foot tapping/head nodding crew everywhere you look. Tell me, is that the same in your part of the world, or is that only a problem of the big cities (overfed with gigs). And why is that? Is it because all the funloving kids listen to Hip Hop and Techno nowadays? Any ideas?
Well and if you really must, feel free to answer the fruity question as well.
if you don’t find what you are looking for, ask for itDecember 7, 2000 at 6:19 am #63360
Yeah – I agree, things have definitely tamed down (unless you are at a Robbie gig, so I have heard). The last gig that I went to (Wembley Arena, and a certain whiny chap’s band who have just played their last gig in Chicago) I managed to drink a whole pint without spilling any! What the hell is that about? I guess you are right, all the "kids" now frequent clubs and bars.
What does Dimpfelmoser mean?
And to answer your "question", "Don’t".
Full of emotion.
December 7, 2000 at 6:55 am #63361
Interesting that you brought this up…I have a couple observations/theories for you to mull over.
I was lucky enough to see Dinosaur Jr once, shortly before they disbanded, and I went home with lots of bruises. Last month, I saw the Fog twice and the vibe was much more mellow. The first night had a lot of people dancing around & such, really getting into it; the second night I was surrounded by a bunch of bleach-blond hipster boys smoking weed & talking shit about, like, "I know EVERYthing about this band, dude".
I am living in a major city for the first time, and I have noticed this strange thing that happens when I discuss concerts with the locals– often times I am asked, "So are you a such-and-such fan, or do you just go to shows?" It strikes me as odd because I never considered that people would be wealthy and/or ambivalent enough to see lots of bands that they don’t really care about, just for the sake of "going to a show".
So I have two theories. The first kind of goes along with what you suggested, about big cities being "overfed" with gigs. Apparently these shows will draw a large contingent of the mildly-interested and the plainly ambivalent; maybe people who are just bored or curious or going for drugs or whatever.
The second theory is that the people who went to Dino shows just to thrash have drifted away, leaving only us hardcore, slightly socially stunted fans who go to enjoy the music. I’m not against rowdy crowds or anything, I just think that maybe the early-90s trend of thrashing away has died down a bit.
Overall, I think that every show you go to will have a different chemistry, which is kind of cool. I wouldn’t necessarily write off peaceful fans as "apathetic", though I agree that there can be some lame-o’s in the crowd who are screwing us hardworking, dedicated fans out of tickets! [img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/evil.gif[/img]
So, buy your tickets early & just enjoy the music! And listen, all hip-hop fans are not the enemy. I do appreciate you calling us funloving, though. [img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
<FONT>[Edited 1 time by rosa on December 07, 2000 at 04:58 AM]</font>December 7, 2000 at 8:09 am #63362
Well, I’m guessing from the posts here that concert goers in Norway must be sort of the odd crowd out. Or something like that. At least at the shows I’ve been to lately. Attended a split HellacoptersThe Hives couple of weeks ago. It was totally insane in front of the stage. People were really getting into it. But of course, the concerts I’ve been at recently are mostly punk. So they could be drawing a different crowd than the concerts you’ve been to. Well, actually I was at a Beck show early this fall and the mood was defenetely more mellow there. Then again it’s not that easy thrashin around to an acoustic set. As for stage diving at a Pavement gig. Saw them last year, was so great and mindblowing I just kinda stood there and… But I do get a feeling a lot of people enjoy going to the "right" shows. Sort of as a fashion thing or something.
"A good song should make you wanna tap your foot and get with your girl. A great song should destroy cops and set fire to the suburbs. I’m only interested in writing great songs."
-Tom morello in Alternative PressDecember 7, 2000 at 9:42 am #63363
Glad you ask Javro, cause there is a bit of a story behind this one. Dimpfelmoser is a character out of a popular German childrens book: RÃ¤uber Hotzenplotz by Ottfried Preussler. He is the benevolent, if rather thick police officer. Actually, they made a film of it in the 60s with Gerd FrÃ¶be (You know, the chap who played Goldfinger in errr, Goldfinger) as RÃ¤uber Hotzenplotz. All this is pretty exiting, IÂ´m sure you agree, but the true beauty lies in the name itself. Dimpfel is a sort of mix of the German words dumpf (dumb) and simpel (work this one out for yourself), while mosern means to complain, to nag. So all in all, I always thought, that this Name sums up the German mentality quite nicely. This is probably lost to the non-German ear, but it sounds so beautifuly German.
And Rosa, I never implied that Hip Hop is the enemy. Like some hip hop myself, you will be thrilled to learn. Same goes for Techno, though IÂ´m more into House. But German Hip Hop at the moment is a completly different kettle of fish, so letÂ´s not get into this. It just occured to me, that the energy and anger that was funelled into the so called alternative sector a few years ago, are now somewhere else. But really, it strikes me as completlly illogical to go to a gig and then spend the whole evening near the bar wirthout having a great deal of fun. WhatÂ´s the point?
Hello Norway. Funny you should mention the Hives, cause I caught them together with the Noise Conspiracy this summer in Cologne and that was the last time I took part in some wild massmadness. I put that down to the fact that the Refused had such a devoted fanbase (in Germany) but maybe IÂ´m wrong.
if you don’t find what you are looking for, ask for itDecember 7, 2000 at 12:53 pm #63364
I went to see the Fog yesterday night (amazing show, I’ve never heard something so overwhelming and LOUD. I was just beautiful)
and the crowd all reacted in a different way. Some people we’re jumping and singing along (like me), others just stood there and sometimes mumbled a few words and we’re tapping with their feet. But i doubt these people felt different about the show. E.g. in Ammaring he just played this beautiful solo and he was just standing there with his eyes closed and I stood there with amazement watching his fingers go. But at the encore when they played Just like Heaven and Freakscene everybody started jumping around.
So I feel people aren’t really that mellow.
"I am so smart, I am so smart, s. m. r. I mean s. m. a. r. t. – Homer"December 8, 2000 at 2:37 am #63365
Thanks for the German literature lesson Dimpf!
I actually read a lot of German books as a youth, but only got as far as classics such as "Sansibar, oder der letzten Grund" and "Andorra". Have you read those? If so, how sad is it when Andri is stoned by "der Schwarzer" (apologies for my poor spelling – German was a language for me where every case is guessed!).
But as far as gigs go, it’s J at the Astoria on Sunday, so I will give a full report on the "rowdiness" of the crowd then. It is a Karrang! gig (a UK metal mag. At least I think it’s British before anyone jumps down my throat[img]http://www.freakscene.net/ubb/smilies/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]- so I am expecting a fairly angry yet energetic crowd.
Hope I ain’t too old for it all!
December 8, 2000 at 6:03 am #63366
Javro, you wont believe this.
Indeed, we had to read Andorra at school, Max Frisch, if memory serves, yet IÂ´ve never heard of "Sansibar, oder der letzte Grund" before. But yesterday, when I got home, I read a review about the new EP from Boards of Canada and the critic stated that the music from BoC was the audial equivalent to the style of writing employed in Sansibar, oder der letzte Grund. Pretty spooky, eh?
To return briefly to the subject of lame crowds. It wasnÂ´t my intention to dismiss peaceful crowds as apathetic, itÂ´s just, that music is the most emotional and most social form of art. You know, if you read a book, itÂ´s you and the book, or if you look at a painting or watch a film, itÂ´s you and the piece of art (although I was reliably informed, that there is another sort of film), whereas with live music, itÂ´s you and your friends, your girlfriend is there or your boyfriend is there and everyone is singing and dancing together and for a short period of time there is something like an emotional connection between all those people and the band. And a really good concert can achieve that. The same could be said from the Love Parade up until two years ago. Yet it seems to me that that in recent years more and more people are reluctant to let that happen.
Just a thought
if you don’t find what you are looking for, ask for itDecember 11, 2000 at 1:50 pm #63367
Cool ruse dimpfelmoser, gotta agree with you crowds at gigs these days confuse me…altho the Tanqueray may play a large role in that state. Been at some shows that just were amazing, hardly anyone moves then when the time comes to call for an encore they just don’t bother to respond. Swervedriver gig a couple years ago people were nuts, no moshing just everybody enjoying the same vibe you talked about….I thought the small hotel was going to collapse it was amazing.
I have been to gigs where people sit down on the dance floor…..while people are jumping around….what is up with that. They seem to be enjoying themselves but in such a passive way I just don’t get it! Was very difficult making your way back to the bar, you had to avoid stepping on the kids all over the floor…wow. I agree with Rosa some of the people who used to thrash have probably moved on to the new thing. I have noticed a difference between the all ages gigs and 21 up gigs, Flaming Lips played a couple of shows in Minneapolis…..the all ages show was incredible with tons of audience participation etc, the 21 up gig was ok lots of people there who seemed to be enjoying themselves just not as demonstrative as the younger crowd.
So its really hard to say what the deal is, the larger cities do get the most gigs….that definitely sucks….and that probably has something to do with the apathy we witness sometimes. All I can do is continue to enjoy the sounds and dance away and have a great time….heres hoping everybody else can enjoy the show without feeling the need to present that cool disinterested look.
Cool name info, gotta love it when someone can make fun of their culture….gotta keep a sense of humor about things you can’t change!!
ps Rosa, I would be shell shocked as well if somebody asked me if I was truly a fan or just went to the shows. Man o Man like I have the time or the desire to waste my time attending events for the sake of being seen at the right gig….sad state of affairs. Agree they should all just stay away and let us true fans appreciate the show.
<FONT>[Edited 1 time by bates on December 11, 2000 at 02:13 PM]</font>December 11, 2000 at 3:56 pm #63368
I can best explain why with a experiance i had
i went to a big concert this summer known as DFP 4.0
hte ticket was
Stone Temple Pilots
for the first three bands the crowd was running rampid kids and everybody was moshing
then STP came out and pits started in the beginging but there live show was so great people wanted to watch, and for Ozzy its always a blessing from God to be able to see him, everyone was standing in awe for him, and i dont know about Creed because i left as did about 3/4 of the crowd at THe PNC arts center, That lead singer wanted to close over Ozzy Osbourne now thats just wrong
so in conclusion for great bands people like to watch them and see the greatness that they are (For sucky bands people dont go crazy either they usually just walk around or yell at the band)
"You look down at me and see a fool, you look up at me and see your lord, you look at me and see yourself"
Charles MansonDecember 12, 2000 at 9:10 am #63369
excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is Tanqueray. Never heard of it. And what is this about all ages shows? Somehow I got the impression you were from Canada, but I might got that wrong. Or are you going to tell me they have all ages shows in Canada as well. Correct me if I?m wrong, but as my understanding of it, they don?t serve alcohol at all ages shows, which would mean, that you can?t order alcohol if you?re under 21. Fuckin hell, what a strange country. You?re allowed to carry a gun when you?re 16, but you can?t have a beer at a gig when you?re twenty. Or isn?t that how it is?
Needless to say I?m not a big fan of Ozzy or the Stone Temple Pilots. For me they are, well, just silly and Limp Biskit are the Backstreet Boys for kids who like to feel rebelious. All part of growing up. Deftones are ok though, yet big concerts are something different anyway. I don?t really think Rock?n?Roll was meant to be played in stadiums. Never works. No offence
if you don’t find what you are looking for, ask for itDecember 12, 2000 at 12:45 pm #63370
Tanqueray is a beautiful type of gin…the only kind I drink….if possible. Your right I am a frozen Canadian, we do have all ages gigs here and at some of the shows I go to in Minneapolis. They have worked out a system at most shows that they sell you some tickets to purchase a wonderful beverage when they check your ID, in Minneapolis the club 1st avenue is huge and upstairs is the drinking area…they card you every time you go up….god its a pain but worth the trouble definitely. I don’t go to many all ages gigs but the ones I have been to have all had loads of liquor…..thankfully!!! About the guns it is odd that kids can hold a gun at 16, the only gun I have ever held is a super soaker water pistol I use to shoot the pigeons off my patio….thats kinda fun actually.
ps get back to you later today on the other thing…don’t think it will be much of a problem
drinking age in Canada is 18, Minneapolis is 21..odd that you can be responsible enuf to drive, vote or enter the army but not enuf to drink….go figure.
<FONT>[Edited 1 time by bates on December 12, 2000 at 01:09 PM]</font>
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