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  • #45510

    Bucky Ramone
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    Pitchfork list their top 100 albums of the 80’s
    Some debatable choices, but all in all a quite fine list 8)

    #83869

    Carl.
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    hmmm… interesting list.. I noticed that "speed" metal (but i did just scan the 100, so I may have missed it) was completely left out, which is interesting, since I happen to think that either Ride the Lightning or Mater of Puppets should have been on the list.

    But again, what do you remove? N.W.A.? Public Enemy? Run-DMC? (yeah, I am not a big rap fan….) Even with my dislike of rap, I can not justify taking any of those off the list..

    Again, though.. I could be wrong.

    Carl.

    #83870

    buckingham rabbit
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    These guys have been getting some flak for being jerk-off twenty-somethings, and therefore not being critical music fans back in the 80s. This is just what some older people have said.

    I think they are pricks for not putting one single Go-Betweens album on the list, then announcing their new album in the news portion a day or so later. Well, I think they are pricks for not putting one single Go-Betweens album on the list. If you have room for TWO albums by the Mekons, then you should have room for the Go-Betweens. I have both those Mekon albums too, and they are good. So come on! :x

    #83871

    Bucky Ramone
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    Well, what would I have removed?

    There are 2 Gang of Four albums, 2 Talk Talk albums,2 Meat Puppets albums, 2 or 3 Police albums, 2 Cocteau Twins albums, 2 or 3 XTC albums (and like Carl said 2 Mekons albums), for all of these bands one (or none :twisted: ) would have sufficed, leaving room for some Metallica, Slayer, the Go-Betweens, the Triffids, Bob Mould or some reggae (also completely missing….)

    #83872

    wireland
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    not a bad list, but not including lou reed’s "new york" is a crime.

    #83873

    Samwise
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    Metallica? Come on.

    #83874

    everyonelovesjaron
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    Wow. 2 Sonic Youths and 2 Pixies in the top 10. What stunning courage these people have.

    Seriously, Mattman, Salamiguy, Jeremiah’s Wife, Servant of God, and myself could write a better music e-zine then Pitchfork and that’s factoring in SoG’s anti-American rants, the fact that Jeremiah’s Wife doesn’t post anymore, Mattman and I would simply writing reviews disagreeing with the other, and Salamiguy’s exclusive covering of jazz.

    #83875

    malcom
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    To say nothing of my endless self centered bitching. :roll:

    Sorry, having trouble finding my Jesus Jones and Thomas Dolby cassets.

    #83876

    jasper
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    Really, Jaron? Interesting. Then why don’t you write us a well-written, knowledgeable, and entertaining review of "Free so Free" between 400 and 800 words, and come back when you’ve finished that.

    Seriously? Pitchfork deserves credit for their knowledge of good music, the passion they have for it, and most of all: for the fact that they are actually able to write about it decently.

    Hell, is there even one other website that has informed, long cd reviews by people who can write?

    #83877

    Long Distance Drunk
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    As a jerk-off twenty-something, I applaud. As always ‘fork list is heavy on Yanks, and Out of Step was way low on the list. Hard to argue with Daydream Nation. But Tim? Man, I love the ‘mats and all, but jebus…

    #83878

    everyonelovesjaron
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    "jasper" wrote:
    Seriously? Pitchfork deserves credit for their knowledge of good music, the passion they have for it, and most of all: for the fact that they are actually able to write about it decently.

    What knowledge of good music? That’s incredibly subjective. I think they do nothing but namedrop up-and-coming bands and bash anything that moves mainstream. Pitchfork accomplishes "long" reviews by following a simple format:

    1) Start off with hyperbole filled analogy.
    2) Preceed to talk about band’s history.
    3) Write 2-3 sentences on each track.
    4) Give final thoughts.

    That’s every review. The difference between pitchfork, and say, Rolling stone, is RS snips 1 and 3. I’m not saying they can’t write well, I’m saying they cannot write courageously. They have no independant thoughts whatsoever. All they’re doing is rehashing the hardcore-indie scene’s opinion of records. Not most of the time. Not 90% of the time. All the time.

    #83879

    jasper
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    "everyonelovesjaron" wrote:
    What knowledge of good music? That’s incredibly subjective.

    See, I’m not being terribly demanding here. Rolling Stone still has J’s new album listed as "Feel so Free". Avoid mistakes like that, and you’re halfway there. (Sadly, Pitchfork has yet to produce a review of the album, but nobody’s perfect.)

    "everyonelovesjaron" wrote:
    They have no independant thoughts whatsoever. All they’re doing is rehashing the hardcore-indie scene’s opinion of records. Not most of the time. Not 90% of the time. All the time.

    I agree that their rating is often as much based on indie credibility as it is on the quality of the record. But, then, bands like Built to Spill, Grandaddy, Modest Mouse, and Wilco deserve their high rating. And occasionally they do surprise by, say, giving Sonic Youth’s "NYC Ghosts & Flowers" a 0.0. Or read their review of Bob Dylan’s "Live 1966: The Royal Albert Hall Concert". (Not written in the format you laid down, by the way, but in a fictional letter from Billy Bragg.) The man that defined part of the mainstream in rock gets the 10.0 he deserves. Meanwhile, Neil Young, indie legend, receives a harsh 3.3 for "Year of the Horse".

    So, "all the time"? No. Things are not that simple. Part of their grade is based on indie credibility, part on personal taste, and part on the quality of the record. Fine by me.

    #83880

    buckingham rabbit
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    "everyonelovesjaron" wrote:

    What knowledge of good music? That’s incredibly subjective.

    Ha ha, you definitely proved that with your undying love for Billy Corgan and promotion of a concert that features the likes of Coldplay and the Vines.

    And seriously, Pitchfork most definitely has its faults, but Rolling Stone is utter shit. Case in point: Britney is on the cover of the "women in rock" issue. :roll:

    #83881

    everyonelovesjaron
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    Funny you mention NYC Ghost & Flowers because that’s one of the exact reviews I was thinking of. I remember about 4 months ago when SY played 9:30 club there was a thread about them on here and Screaming Tree (I think that was who it was) said something about SY really dropping off after Daydream Nation and pretty much the consencious was that while the new SY has been mostly crap, we’d all still go see them. Basically, we didn’t have the balls to bash the indie legends.

    PF plays off that inner indie guy in all of us. It says exactly what the mainstream indie opinion is (i.e. new SY sucks), but then states it with a bunch of hyperbole and acts like they had an original thought. To say the new SY was awesome (and base it on merits as opposed to name vlaue) would have been the courageous thing to do.

    Now of course, they may very well have disliked the new SY honestly. It just seems overwhelmingly that it’s based on the opinions of some sort of consultian of indie fans. I can honeslty listen to you all discuss a new album and get exactly what Pitchfork was going to say substance-wise, but lacking in style. That’s why I said 5 FS’ers could write something just as good as Pitchfork – because it’s the same thing.

    #83882

    everyonelovesjaron
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    "buckingham rabbit" wrote:

    Ha ha, you definitely proved that with your undying love for Billy Corgan and promotion of a concert that features the likes of Coldplay and the Vines.

    I’m sure you thought you had a point there, but despite all your rage you’re still just a rat in a cage, meataphorically speaking. Perhaps when you finally get free of your small-minded restraints, you will put my in my place.

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