save eddie vedder

[rosa]

Hey,

I was bored and found this lovely post on the web. [img]images/smiles/converted/eek.gif[/img]
http://www.gospelcom.net/menconi/topics/r_and_r/3-98.html

hehehehe
Rosa
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[Javro]

Er Rosa

What the fuck were you doing looking at that site?????

(apologies to all the religious people out there)….

[everyonelovesjaron]

"I thought he was shallow. He doesn’t have any answers. I thought a big star like that would have deep insight on life! He really is empty."

Yeah, I sit in a cave all day and listen to self righteous biggots like DC Talk and Jars of Clay because they have all the answers in life.

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What domga.

[rosa]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Javro:
<STRONG>Er Rosa

What the fuck were you doing looking at that site?????</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I was wondering if Eddie and Manson had ever met, and if anyone had seized such a photo opportunity.

It’s amazing how much crap you can find. I found some religious stuff, and I also discovered that many people are of the opinion that you cannot like both bands at the same time. [img]images/smiles/converted/rolleyes.gif[/img] There’s just too much hate in the world; I hate it.

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xo
Rosa

[defduck]

that was pretty funny.. its funny how these people claim to have answers. not just things they’ve been told. but real true answers, which is impossible. but you know, i can say a bunch of shit with conviction and be full and rich in life. hehe. i hope this sarcasm comes off ok. blah. i can go on for hours. bye. [img]images/smiles/converted/smile.gif[/img]

[K7 Rides Again]

[img]images/smiles/converted/mad.gif[/img] no offense but this stuff really pisses me off. I’m not saying I’m against God, or a god, or whatever you want to call it (some sort of super being), but I can’t stand what some people have to say. Believe what you want, more power to you, I have no problem with that. Just ‘cuz Eddie says he’ll die and rot and the worms will get him, doesn’t mean he’s shallow. Many people get along just fine without the christian god, or some other god, or some other super natural force. Nobody has all the answers. And if you completely hope to find all your answers in one simple word, or band, or person, then I think you’re really missing out on life. Just ‘cuz the man doesn’t believe in God, doesn’t mean he’s no longer a man. He still has feelings, opinions, and ideas. He experiences the same things everyday that anyone else feels. We’re all human. And so now we have another person (the author of this article) who believes he has all the answers in one easy word…God. Sums it up nicely doesn’t it? If it’s so simple, then why is everything so complex? Of course Eddie doesn’t have all the answers, he’s just a musician with a story to tell. Judging Eddie because of one statement he’s made is a travisty, and it’s ignorance like this that keeps us from moving forward as human beings.

ELJ and everyone else- beginning to think a philosophy forum is a good idea, and at the same time not. We could talk to eachother on another level. Unfortunately, I think many of the points that would be made will result in deeply heated debates that may sour many of the relationships we have here. Issues like politics, sexuality, and religion touch on some of the most sacred beliefs we hold. They tend to go nowhere but in a bad direction because these ideas are just that-our beliefs. This new forum would be a double edged sword, quick to cut, with the damage severe. Weild it wisely.

That’s my 2 cents, I’m outtie, [img]images/smiles/converted/biggrin.gif[/img]
kurtis

[bob]

kurticus, amen brother!

…maybe that was a bad choice of words

[Joshua]

That is so hilarious. I really don’t like talking about this kinda stuff because there is no point I could make that hasn’t already been made. And thinking about it gets me so comicly frustrated. But it just blows my mind that people just KNOW that they are right. No proof or evidence. It’s just that their "faith" is so strong. I admire that and all, and think it’s good to belive in somthing, but that is just a great example of pure ignorance, and a false sence of supremecy. HA!

[Mattman]

I agree with rosa about it being a sense of humor thing. Its true after all. People don’t tend to take their bodies with them to the afterlife. Eddie was probably just talking from a opposite point of view. Eddie the physical body, instead of Eddie the "soul". [img]images/smiles/converted/biggrin.gif[/img]

On the subject, I’d like to remind everyone that every faith has its zealots, who only see their own view of things and fail to notice that most people are usually annoyed when you start forcing your view upon them, even in cases where they may normally agree…

Its like trying to convert someone to Dinosaur Jr by blasting it at their house from the street. Sure a small few are going go "hey, that’s good stuff, thanks a lot." But most are going to be annoyed at the fact that someone’s trying to force something upon them, even if they otherwise would’ve like Dino (they’re probably less likely to get into it now, out of pure stubborness. [img]images/smiles/converted/biggrin.gif[/img] )

Just remember, that for every one person who tells you you’re gonna burn in hell, there are probably 10 others who left you alone. Its hardly fair to attribute the actions of a few to the entire group.

I also think that some people should better understand the difference between a friendly invite to learn about another’s beliefs and a forceful "hell-fire & brimstone" badgering.

Here’s a true story involving me… [img]images/smiles/converted/wink.gif[/img]

A few years ago at my college, I was walking with a friend of mine to my car (I was giving her a ride, coz she had no ride of her own, but back to the story [img]images/smiles/converted/biggrin.gif[/img] ). Whilst walking, these two guys approached us holding a flyer and they were kinda aggitated. They asked us for a moment of our time and we agreed. They explained that some people had just approached them, handing them the flyer and telling them that there was to be some kind of Christian fellowship for students (the subject of the flyer.) They asked us if we thought it was wrong, if they (the Christians) were trying to "force" their beliefs upon them, etc.

I answered their questions with questions of my own… I said "Did they just hand you the flyer, say you’re welcome to show up, and then go on their way.. or did they get all "preachy" and stuff, and if so, did you tell them that you weren’t interested, and if so, did they leave you alone after that?"

They replied that the flyer people just handed them the flyer with a friendly invite and moved on… So I said that I didn’t see anything wrong with that. If they’re not interested in going to the meeting, then don’t go. I related it to the (often occuring) situation where people would hand out flyers to clubs or concerts, the reason for the meeting may be different, but the method of invite is the same. I don’t go to the clubs, concerts, parties, etc that I’m not interested in, and I certainly don’t get mad that I was invited. They agreed with me (though I could sense that they were a bit annoyed that I didn’t just jump on their bandwagon, and put forth a reasonable argument) and went on their way.

The moral of my story… As long as people are polite and respect the space of others and the desire to be left alone, provided that such a desire is made clear (preferably in a polite manner) then I don’t see a problem with their offering to share their views on anything with others. [img]images/smiles/converted/smile.gif[/img] The key word is "offering", as opposed to "forcing" of course. [img]images/smiles/converted/wink.gif[/img]

Sorry for the long spiel, but that about explains my take on the matter… [img]images/smiles/converted/wink.gif[/img]

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[rosa]

I hear you, Mantis.

I mostly just thought it was funny. Especially to see Marilyn Manson & Dawson’s Creek represented in the same sentence as satanic. [img]images/smiles/converted/smile.gif[/img]

Just thought it was a funny post. Stuff like that; you can either get worked up about it or just realize the humor in it. I’m not knockin’ Christianity, just wackos in general. [img]images/smiles/converted/wink.gif[/img] The article had me laughing out loud & I thought the good folks at freakscene deserved a laugh as well.

xo
Rosa

p.s. if anyone DOES have a picture of Eddie & Manson, please forward it to me [img]images/smiles/converted/wink.gif[/img]

[bob]

Eddiie is a big Kurt Vonnegut fan and the whole worms rotting thing sounds like KV’s atheistic ideas

[K7 Rides Again]

totally agree with you mattman, but here’s some points I’d like to make.
–"I thought he was shallow. He doesn’t have any answers. I thought a big star like that would have deep insight on life! He really is empty." Remember, this response came from a kid who wasn’t living for Jesus, and yet he could still see how empty his "hero" was without Christ.
1) So here we have someone throwing all his faith into Vedder. It’s foolish to carry all one’s eggs in one basket. Somebody should pass that on to him.
2) Jumping to the conclusion that Jesus will fulfill Vedder’s emptiness is ad hoc.
3) Is it possible Vedder has already tried Jesus to no avail?
4) And saying that Vedder is empty just because he doesn’t have all the answers is silly. Maybe he has plenty of deep insights on life that didn’t come out in this conversation.
–I asked my excited friend if he had shared Jesus with Vedder
1) He can’t even have a conversation without throwing Jesus into the mix.
–rock stars and entertainers who have been such a major influence on our families. For the most part, they are lost like Vedder and in need of a Savior. If you listen to their songs and evaluate their movies and television programs, you can see a hopelessness that is crying out for an answer.
1) Not all those who wander from the path are lost.
2) Is it possible that there are many other solutions for there "hopelessness"?
3)Does this "hopelessness" even exist? Or is it someone just rying to "force" their point of view.
— Can you imagine what a positive influence they could have been if someone had answered their cries for help with a valid Gospel message…
1) Positive for who? All the christians that condemned them? The Beatles were a very positive influence on many people’s lives.
–…instead of simply judging their lost condition?
1) How ironic that he’s says this while he’s sitting here judging Vedder don’t you think?
–As we evaluate today’s entertainers, let’s try to see them as God sees them: as lost souls in need of a Savior.
1) So let me get this straight, If you don’t like there lifestyle, they are therefore lost souls.
2) I love this one…"as God sees them". How does this guy know how God sees them? Did God stop by for a late cup of coffee? What’s going on here is that he’s preaching HIS views behind the guise of God.
3) I’ll say it again, not all those who wander from the path are lost.
–let’s do more than cluck our tongue and point our finger in judgement.
1) Which happens to be exactly what he’s doing.

I’m sorry but this is bullshit! Granted, I didn’t have to read his article, but I did. I see many faults within his reasoning. Yes, I too am commiting the foul of judging, but at least I’m forming an opinion after reading a whole page of what this guy has to say. Then this guy throws all these bands and shows together and says let’s pray for them because they’re sinners. Who made this guy judge, jury, and executioner? The problem I have here, is that this isn’t just an invite to check out Christianity. He has made many bold statements here and does little to back them up. It’s flat out self-rightousness. It’s guys like this who support crusades and inquisitions. He’s not "sharing" Jesus, he’s forcing the issue. It’s just in subtler tones.
To tell you the truth, I think these are the people who are truly lost. They are always in such a big search for "the answers" or that one pure truth, that they miss all the little points around them.

"Just remember, that for every one person who tells you you’re gonna burn in hell, there are probably 10 others who left you alone. Its hardly fair to attribute the actions of a few to the entire group."

And I great;y appreciate those who left it alone. I am not attacking Christianity. My beef is with this SPECIFIC guy because of what he’s representing in the name of Christianity. He’s representing intolerance, and that’s something I can’t tolerate (Yes, I know that one sounded funny). But my dislike of him didn’t occur until he started judging people. We, as human beings, need to be indifferent to eachother if we are to survive as people. As long as there are people out there who continue to judge and discriminate without cause, we will never move forward. Will just keep killing ourselves in the name of some greater "purpose."

Differences=oppurtunites to expand ourselves
Differences do not=oppurtunities to condemn

I’m sure this guy is a nice guy and he means well, but I ,personally, cannot support his stance.
(look at the title of his article for crying out loud)

Sorry if this takes up a lot of space. My writing course must be working! [img]images/smiles/converted/biggrin.gif[/img]
Kurtis

<FONT>[ October 19, 2001 08:04 PM: 1 kurticus7 ]</font>

[rosa]

I think that when he said that he would rot and worms would eat him, he had picked up on the Jesus-vibe and was just really making fun of the guy. He does have that rather stoic sense of humor. [img]images/smiles/converted/biggrin.gif[/img]

xo
Rosa

[fata morgana]

Saviors are just as empty.

[bean]

PEACE— <img> IN REF TO US CITIZENS POSTS Just ‘cuz the man doesn’t believe in God, doesn’t mean he’s no longer a man. He still has feelings, opinions, and ideas. He experiences the same things everyday that anyone else feels. We’re all human. -beginning to think a philosophy forum is a good idea, and at the same time not. We could talk to eachother on another level. Unfortunately, I think many of the points that would be made will result in deeply heated debates that may sour many of the relationships we have here. Issues like politics, sexuality, and religion touch on some of the most sacred beliefs we hold. They tend to go nowhere but in a bad direction because these ideas are just that-our beliefs. This new forum would be a double edged sword, quick to cut, with the damage severe. Weild it wisely.

That’s my 2 cents, I’m outtie, <IMG>
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