February 24, 2002 at 11:55 pm #44899
Hi, my "real" dad told me he thinks were going to be in another World War. He told me "if youll look before every world war, youll see the big buisnesses have trouble with money." And then he started naming off all of these companies, then I got an email from a music company today that said that they are having to pull their website because a lack of money, so something is now affecting the music buisness? He told me I had bettered go to College, (hes not helping me pay for it OF COURSE) and get a job and a car. He told me within the next year or two, we may have another depression and they may start the draft up again, (because its probable that well go for Sadam now too everyone is saying). I would like to, not go to war…sorry, but Id kind of like to live.
So what do you great great people think?
RJ.February 25, 2002 at 1:54 am #68035
Hey RJ, here is my humble take.
I guess it depends on how you define "World War". Because we kind of ARE involved in a world war right now- there are countries that have aligned themselves with us, and countries that have aligned themselves with anti-American forces. So much of the world really is involved. The only thing is that now we don’t call them "wars", we call them "operations". <img>
As far as the economy goes, history has shown that things slump economically during times of war. But I think that nowadays, people can cope with it a little bit better anyway; with the advent of technology, the stock market has swelled thanks to online trading and private investing. It would take more than just one or two scandals or bankruptcies to really cause a substantial crisis. Plus I like to think that there are still some economic incentives and securities around from the Clinton administration.
I don’t think you have to worry about Selective Service knocking on your door just yet, either. As enthusiastic as George W. (like most republicans) is about the military, I’d be willing to bet that he would unleash the nukes before he started recruiting civilians. And as much as our country supposedly is in favor of this war, we are also scrutinizing W’s ability to effectively carry it out. I am certainly not the biggest fan of this administration, but it does seem to be concerned with preserving American lives, particularly those of soldiers. Notice that we have had very few casualties so far. In essence, I think that bringing back the draft is would not only be unnecessary but also reflect very poorly on W.
Tell me, if your dad thinks we are headed for depression, WHY would he want you to be taking out loans to go to college? Why does he think that buying a car and getting a career will insulate you from the impact of a bad economy? That’s the one thing I don’t get. If anything, it will sink you into debt. Not that I’m against getting a car or anything! Just curious.
p.s. about the music website closing; lots of dot-coms were starting to fold/cut back before September 11th. I don’t think there’s much of a specific connection there.
<small>[ 02-25-2002, 02:22 AM: Message edited by: rosa ]</small>February 25, 2002 at 9:49 am #68036
Listen to these MalC-MaN and reconsider
Machine gun / Jimmy Hendrix
War / Eric Burdon
Masters of War / Eddy Vedder
With God on our side / Bob Dylan
Foxhole / Television
Armagideondays / The TheFebruary 25, 2002 at 10:45 am #68037
This is probably the worstest most sickest thing I’ve ever said, but some part of me wants to go to war. My parents said they’d get me outta the country if the draft gets started.February 25, 2002 at 11:35 am #68038
"you can arm me to the teeth but you can`t make me go to war"-Mountain GoatsFebruary 26, 2002 at 2:28 am #68039
He wants me to do that stuff so they wont draft me (basically I think hes wanting me to be "normal").
RJFebruary 26, 2002 at 9:49 am #68040
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned out backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!–An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.–
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.February 26, 2002 at 5:16 pm #68041
like rosa said, these days there everything is going to be a world war just because there are so many alliances. look at the brits–they are yes men to us. its just beause we kicked their ass back in the 1700s and also in 1812 so they know what side to be on now. but really, with the UN and NATO and the EU and all the others, it is going to be pretty impossible for two countries to fight and not have others stick their noses in it in some way.
before world war 2 the economy was total shit. we were in the great depression and that was the worst the economy has ever been. certainly what goes on today does not compare. this was spread throughout the world, and thus the rise of fascism. but anyway, once we entered the war that got us out of the depression because of all the gov. spending on the war cause. i dont think that will happen this time because, while the government surely is spending lots of money, i still don’t think it compares. i also dont think they will start up the draft because there are like one milliion people, literallly, in the reserves. plus, look what happened with vietnam and the draft. they dont want that to happen again. if people start using nuclear weapons then we are all flat out fucked.February 26, 2002 at 5:23 pm #68042
I need to clarify myself here:
I don’t want there to be a war
I don’t like killing
I don’t like war
I don’t think the draft will be instated
But some part of me is really excited at the prospect of starting life anew, which would happen if a draft would be instatedFebruary 26, 2002 at 6:34 pm #68043
Sounds like someones trying to scare/intimidate you into doing what they want you to do <img>
I agree with pretty much everyone here, can’t see the draft happening but if it does there are always way to get around it. Iggy Pop was refused, what a story his draft evasion routine was…involved some nakedness, madness and avoidance but it worked <img> Just remember you have a friend in Canada if it does happen <img>
Going to college isn’t a bad thing worked for me, but I went when I was ready not when people tried to hypnotize me thru fear and intimidation. So do what you want to do not what others try and manipulate you into.
Allison <img>February 26, 2002 at 7:11 pm #68044
Let’s be realistic here, there ain’t gonna be any drafting anywhere, ever again probably. At least not over here in the UK hehehehe *ahem* (just kidding)… after the government was boycotted so heavily during Vietnam, and even then the worst thing that could happen if you refused is to get sent to prison for a while… not a very pleasant experience I knoww but at least you ain’t getting shot like in the old days.
The fact is, ground troops just aren’t very useful these days. A single daisycutter missile will probably take out an entire unit and just a couple of them will disable any outpost so they’d just be literally sending people in to die, and no Western government is stubborn enough to go into that. Much easier to bomb the bastards ’til they give up.
On the subject of college, I know loads of people who’ve been who say it did nothing for them, and plenty more who say they loved it. They all agree that if you yourself have a reason to go, then go for it, but if it doens’t seem like something you want to do then tell ’em where to stick it <img>February 27, 2002 at 1:31 am #68045
so your all telling me to simmer down now, and if I want to do college right now, do it..if I want to wait and see the future of Randy Jane a bit do that then go to college. (Ill go just when? I dont know).
Allison….so, your saying, get naked, run a muck, then come to your house?…cool, ok…uh, *cough* cant I just do that anyways? Har har. (out of respect for you and your future, I will be clothed when you see me…..thanks, mgt.).
RRRRandy Jane………..im actually friggin happy
wow…..heh….me happy, kool..RJ.February 27, 2002 at 7:00 am #68046
LOL <img> Appreciate the clothing deal <img> but I think you got the picture of what Iggy did to get out of the draft, Rock Action (Scott Asheton) painted a lightning bolt down his face and went to his draft board appointment, they said no thanks. Think that might not work these days though, probably sign you up right away. But thats not going to happen, so take your time and decide whats right for you.
<small>[ 02-27-2002, 05:01 AM: Message edited by: Another Girl Another Planet ]</small>February 27, 2002 at 10:10 am #68047
I ain’t no one’s fucking yes man.
Thought that people here had a bit more sense. Still, I guess when you learn history from films like U571 and the Patriot…..
Not sure what reaction you intended getting from that comment, but hope that I obliged.February 27, 2002 at 10:12 am #68048
Plus, you only beat us coz you had rent a warrior Mel Gibson. First he fights for the Scots against us, then you lot.
Expect him appearing as William of Orange at a cinema near you…..
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